Talk:Captain Saker

Enodoc

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Welcome to my Talk page. Please feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions concerning the wiki or the Fable series. If you leave a message here, you may want to watch this page, as I'm likely to respond to it here as well in order to keep the conversation in one place.

New project idea

While working on the Silver Keys page I had this random thought idea. Would it be a good idea for us to have a main page, like demon doors but for the legendary weapons? Giving a basic description about them, like how we do with the demon doors? It would kind of be a lore page, and might need to be watched for speculation but I think it might be worthwhile and it could help us expand the wiki in terms of known info. The style of the page I could come up with would be something like this: Opening paragraph, Nature of Weapons, Properties making them legendary weapons, Trivia, See also. And in the "see also" part we would link to the lists of the weapons for each game, or something like that.--Alpha Lycos 17:23, September 26, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds good! So would you split off the lists from the Legendary Weapons page and use that one? --Enodoc^{(Talk) (User Space)} 17:28, September 26, 2011 (UTC)

That would make it a bit easier! And then perhaps for each game we have a list of each legendary weapon, almost like a check list for people who love collecting, with things like "Base game" "DLC1" "DLC2" etc, or for Fable and TLC it would be "Base Game" "TLC". And perhaps have a description of the weapon, with a picture beside it?--Alpha Lycos 17:31, September 26, 2011 (UTC)

Well that bit's up to you, it's your idea after all. Just consider that the weapon articles all have the description and an image as well. --Enodoc^{(Talk) (User Space)} 17:33, September 26, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm very true. Ah! How would a "Fable Wiki" description sound? The list of each weapon having a small description from an out-of-game perspective? For example with the Red Dragon, something like "A powerful gun once used by Wicker, a legendary marksman of his time. Upon his death, this pistol was believed lost. However, rumour claims it can be found as a prize in the Westcliff Shooting Range"--Alpha Lycos 17:40, September 26, 2011 (UTC)

That's a nice idea.     :)       --Enodoc^{(Talk) (User Space)} 17:50, September 26, 2011 (UTC)

Alright, I'll get started on that. Would you be able to sort out the Silver Keys page so its like the demon doors page? I had trouble thinking of how to word that one.--Alpha Lycos 17:53, September 26, 2011 (UTC)

I've edited the silver keys page a bit, but I'm not too sure what else we can put on there either. It's probably pretty much alright as it is. Something else that I just thought of as well, when you're doing your "Fable Wiki" descriptions for the weapons, they'd be best of not in italic, as italic could suggest a quoting of the in-game description. --Enodoc^{(Talk) (User Space)} 19:15, September 26, 2011 (UTC)

Opps, I'll fix that up. Hmm would underlined work?--Alpha Lycos 19:17, September 26, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think it needs any sort of formatting. Just plain text, as it is now, looks fine. --Enodoc^{(Talk) (User Space)} 19:42, September 26, 2011 (UTC)

Alright, thanks for that. Currently working on Fable II's list. When I get to Fable III's list, I'm thinking I'll do a few and leave most open to others, since there is a large number of weapons for that game.--Alpha Lycos 19:44, September 26, 2011 (UTC)

Journey

Hi Enodoc, I just want to know waht do you think of Fable: The Journey.

PS: I'm not trolling on Fable: The Journey I just want to know what you think —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.117.41.38 (talk) . Please sign your posts with ~~~~

Well first of all I think that it's an interesting idea, and it will be good to see how it pans out. I am concerned about the limitations that may come from the navigation system, considering all you have to use for that is your hands and body (and potentially your voice), but Lionhead are quite innovative and they'll hopefully come up with something good. I like the idea that it could have a good story, but I'm concerned over how repetitive it may seem if all you're doing is guiding your cart down seemingly endless trails. I know PM has said that it's not on rails, but a lot of games are still very linear even if they aren't railed. I hope it won't be a completely linear experience and that there will be some opportunties to make decisions. I think the magic system is quite well thought out, and while the removal of physical melee and ranged weapons may seem strange at first, the fact that you can create spears and other objects with magic is quite a cool thought. It would be good if they also allow you to create some sort of bashing implement with magic, and then with the spears as well you would have a direct comparison to melee and ranged combat. I should have some more thoughts when we've seen more of it; at the moment there isn't really enough to talk about. --Enodoc^{(Talk) (User Space)} 23:11, September 28, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with you in almost everything, the magic sistem is quite cool. But anyway, is too soon to say anything about it yet, it seems to be an interesting project though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.117.41.38 (talk) . Please sign your posts with ~~~~

hi there im looking to get a little popular on this page so far iv made a blog wich has 0 comments and i havent even talked to a person in a chat or anything PLEASE HELP thank you—Preceding unsigned comment added by The hero of albion (talk • contribs) . Please sign your posts with ~~~~

Well the best thing to do is to help out by editing the wiki's articles. This isn't really a social site, it's a site for information, so that's the best way to get noticed. Also, despite the chat being active on this wiki I don't think anyone really uses it. --Enodoc^{(Talk) (User Space)} 23:23, October 1, 2011 (UTC)

Wiki Adoption

Hi. Thanks for starting a discussion with the other members of the community here. I've given you the bureaucrat rights. Good luck with the wiki! -- Wendy (talk) 04:51, October 1, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! --Enodoc^{(Talk) (User Space)} 23:23, October 1, 2011 (UTC)

Lady Sophia

Hey. I'm sure you'll see it, but I wanted to make you aware of this and ask how to go about sorting it out, turning it into a proper article and whatnot. Thanks. TheIndifferentist 22:48, October 1, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for that. All sorted. The only thing we can do with them is to copy the content to an article page and delete the category page. Unfortunately there is no way to "move" a category page. --Enodoc^{(Talk) (User Space)} 23:23, October 1, 2011 (UTC)

Alright, thanks for the help. Sorry about the link. TheIndifferentist 05:21, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

i would like to become an admin

hi i would love to become an admin to prove im worthy i will tell you a little about myself i basically am the fable master i have all legendary wepons i have opened all demon doors collected all the hero dolls stayed up day and night this whole summer playing fable i have all dlc for all three fables oh and i have 6 million gold left thankyou and goodbye—Preceding unsigned comment added by The hero of albion (talk • contribs) . Please sign your posts with ~~~~

Unfortunately you are not yet eligible to become an admin, but that doesn't stop you from being able to improve the articles here to help others. You need to be a long-time trusted editor of the wiki, or there is a large chance any request for adminship will fail. I would suggest that you edit here for a while and become known in this wiki's community before trying to become an admin. Please see the project page for more information on how we define and elect admins. --Enodoc^{(Talk) (User Space)} 09:08, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

Deletion of pages?

Just curious if you saw the deletion tag put on a couple of pages recently? Albion history of the tattered spire and Fable the heroes of albion. I think they should have been a blog, or a forum and would have moved to a forum but I'm still not good at moving pages to the forums.--Alpha Lycos 06:17, October 9, 2011 (UTC)

I was just waiting to see if the creator defended them at all. Since they don't seem to have, I'll go ahead and delete them. They're not really relevant for a forum either, since no discussion is implied by them. Thanks for reminding me. --Enodoc^{(Talk) (User Space)} 11:39, October 9, 2011 (UTC)

Reporting vandalism

Someone is vandalising the site, the nuke glitch thing, Look at therecent updates for it, I edited as much vandalism as I can find, if I find more I will undo it as well. Theraptor92 22:18, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

Looks like you got most of it. Thanks for the heads up. --Enodoc^{(Talk) (User Space)} 23:58, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

Recent new pages

The pages that have recently been made, such as Samantha Black, all seem to be purely fanfiction. Unless the Hero of Bowerstone as a female was truly named Samantha Black and was the daughter of Matthew Black, who would turn out to be the Archaeologist.--Alpha Lycos 02:17, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

That's what I thought too. The creator has seven days to defend the pages, as I marked them with {{SpeculationDelete}}. I will delete them after that. --Enodoc^{(Talk) (User Space)} 18:45, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

It would seem that the author of said pages likes to vandal pages as well, noticeable with the recent changes to Maze.--Alpha Lycos 02:31, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, they're walking a very thin line. Such is the (unwritten) benefit of being a registered contributor, where I like to give them "three strikes" before blocking them (unless it's offensive). They're currently on 2.5 (2 for vandalism and a retrospective 1/2 for the new pages which are looking more and more like the same). --Enodoc^{(Talk) (User Space)} 11:05, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Hello from the colonies

→ moved from Fable Answers
I made an edit on "Demon Doors Fable II" but after reading again I saw how it should have been done more correctly. Can you undo my edit? Also is it customary to call teleporting from the menu screen in Fable II "fast travel" when time elapses anyway, as opposed to true fast travel like in Fable III.I am guessing this is to differentiate it from just walking somewhere which is to travel.P.S. I would like to list some of my User Boxes on my User page and may require some help.I dont want to mess this up by just blindly trying this. Also can I use more than 1 User Box as i have played through multiple times and made different choices on different playthroughs.Garry Damrau 09:03, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

You can always reword anything you don't like. If you want to precisely undo anything you have done, go to the Page History, where you will find the undo button next to any edit that you want to undo.

Yes, it is customary to call the Fable II travel system Fast Travel due to the passing of time.

Go ahead and experiment with the userboxes; you can use as many as you like. They can be found here. It is easiest to add userboxes in Source mode rather than visual mode due to the codes required. Below is a section of the code for the userboxes from my page so you can see how they come out.

{{UserPromiseKalin}}
{{UserRuler|King}}
{{User3Good}}
{{UserLoganSpare}}
{{UserDecisionOldquarter|Good}}
{{UserPromiseKalin|kept}}
{{UserLocationFable3|Driftwood|Driftwood 1|png}}

This user has promised Kalin that they will rebuild the City of Aurora and protect its people.

This user is King of Albion.

This user makes Good decisions in order to preserve the environment and keep the people happy.

This user decided to spare Logan.

This user decided to rebuild the ruined Old Quarter.

This user kept their promise to Kalin. They have provided the funds to protect and rebuild the city.

This user's favourite Fable III location is Driftwood.

Enodoc^{(Talk) (User Space)} 19:27, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

That's the funny part. As I normally avoid getting married in my gaming life,as it comes with so much distraction,(real life too) I have just recently explored that part of Fable 3. I got it as a gift from my wife. I first had used the house before the bridge in Brightwall Village but moved the family to the Fluff Cottage because of the crow attacks by the other house. Now I'm just looking for the Old Kingdom Right Arm tattoo, got the whole set of Scythe and the Mercenary Right Leg. Garry Damrau 13:37, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

Just to follow up: I got all the tattoos I needed and am now duplicating each new weapon I find, to all my saves. Just learned that there are at least 3 versions of the Trophy Mount, in Fable III. To see all 3 go to Fakeney Hall in Millfields and look inside. Most of my saves have all 3 mounts on display. If the door is locked, save game then buy it (either way to rent or to move in) and go in to look. Quit game if you don't want to own Fakeney Hall. I also want a badge for reaching 200 edits LOL --Garry Damrau(talk) 09:23, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

I might pop in to Fakeney Hall and have a look. Well spotted! If you want a badge, and if you don't have it yet, you can put {{UserEditor}} in your list of userboxes. It's not really related to number of edits, but still... --Enodoc^{(Talk) (User Space)} 10:51, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

If you want to see something well spotted: Go to and buy the Finkelhouse Farm in Silverpines (This is usually vacant) and on the shelf closest to the bed put decoration item #4 (The music box,abacus,teddy bear, and rubber ball). The rubber ball will levitate as if by magic. P.S. This also works in Old Reliable in the Dweller Camp.09:27, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

Well my Xbox360 has finally reached the point where it's only use will be to watch DVDs and play CDs. In the last two days it went out in a blaze of glory. I was able to once get it to read and play Fable II and opened three Demon Doors (Brightwood, Westcliff, and the famous Fairfax Castle) in one play session. I also got Fable III to work with one of my saves and upgraded 6 (that's six) weapons during the final battle of "Gone But Not Forgotten". The killing Hollowmen upgrade on the Swift Irregular and the Avo's Lamentation, the killing evil enemies on the Scythe's Warhammer and the killing with a flourish on the Tanner's Glory, The TYPO, and the Fairie Hammer of the Moon King. You just gotta keep killing hollowmen and not the wisps. Then the save became unloadable just walking from Bowerstone Market to Industrial. It did the normal save then froze during the save with the loading screen and now the save won't even load. Yeah, I was angry (but not mad, dogs get mad).By the way there is one female that Fable III refers to as "hot" that's Mildred the humble milkmaid in Lightwater. --Garry Damrau(talk) 09:00, December 31, 2011 (UTC)

Tying up loose ends

WOW !!! I am so happy I found this site. As I did not take up the Gargoyle quest until after defeating Lucien.(I was still learning) I could not teach my dog the Growl trick but I have returned to Memory Lane in Rookridge and was able to teach his ghost.This particular save was so glitched it was painful to even play it.Tried but can't find the Enforcer I dug in the cellar but came up empty,but I did open the Demon Door in Brightwood. You know how obsessive we gamers are.Garry Damrau 09:06, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Welcome Solar Dragon back for meGarry Damrau 12:06, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

What do you mean? SD left Wikia and is unlikely to be returning. --Enodoc^{(Talk) (User Space)} 20:15, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe I'm "freekin". I thought I saw an edit with his signature dated Nov.18 or 19. I can tell from reading this site that he was a good administrator and must have been banned or left for a good reason.P.S. So you're going to hit 10,000 contributions soon. I congratulate you in advance.Garry Damrau 06:59, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

Well now it's official 10,000 contributions. Quite an achievement - Congratulations. I wanted to brag about getting an item even rarer than the Cooks Hat and that's a Trophy Mount. Now I can convert short and long shelves into trophy spots. How cool is that? I put 2 in the Happy Hippie Hut and 3 I think in Silverpines or the Winter Wagon. Really brings up property value. One funny thing though is I cannot start a new talk page. When I try this computer takes me to a site called Freeze.Com which tries to offer me Net Assistant and a AP called Flip Toast. Must be something wrong on my end as I cannot access Facebook at all, and many pages are affected by this "glitch". Oh well I'll just do what I can to help until I get my own computer.Garry Damrau 10:37, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks very much; and I hadn't even noticed. Where did you find a trophy mount? Was it in a furniture shop somewhere? I know some a small number of the houses in the game have them in already. If you need a talk page started let me know and I'll create one.

Also here are some alternatives to reaching talk page creation, using the Gerald article, which doesn't have a talk page, as an example:

• http://fable.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Gerald?action=edit
• http://fable.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Gerald?action=edit&redlink=1
• http://fable.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Gerald?action=edit&section=new
• Special:CreatePage, set Article Title to be Talk:Gerald

Enodoc^{(Talk) (User Space)} 12:30, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you E but can you help me? I have recently been having a "clash of egos" with other wiki members and would like to sever any ties to them. Can you (or I) remove the Assassins Creed Wiki from my main and answers user page list of favorite wikis? I have un followed their user pages but cannot see how to remove this from my page. Also a quick question Can I delete some of the dialog on my talk page or should I just ignore them?Thnx againGarry Damrau 12:28, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

Simply click edit on that big banner at the top of your profile page, the edit button can be found on the top right of that banner. Then where it says "Wikis you've contributed to:", click on the rubbish bin next to the Wiki. And although you can remove content from your talk page, it's frowned upon because they are supposed to be kept as records and history of previous discussions. It's only really acceptable when the message is vandalism, spam, or other pointless stuff. -- 'R BlaiddDdraig ^{Enter... THE SCARY DOOR} 14:33, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

In addition to what 'R BlaiddDdraig said above, for your talk page, you or I can create an archive, so that the content is preserved but no longer on the active page. There are two different archiving methods: Sequential Archiving, which is what I use, where the archives are stored as editable pages (User talk:Enodoc/Archive 1, User talk:Enodoc/Archive 2 etc); and Monolithic Pages, or Permalink Archives, where the content is removed directly from the page and a 'permanant link' is inserted on the page to an uneditable earlier version. (See Help:Archiving talk pages for more details.) If you like I can create either for you; just let me know which you would like to use. There is no commitment neccessary either; you can have some archives of one sort and some of another depending on what you want to archive. --Enodoc^{(Talk) (User Space)} 19:50, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you sir for your help and understanding. I'll try to do this myself when I feel ready, as it is my talk page and any mistakes will be my own problem to learn from. Please feel free to communicate with me on my talk page and I hope my efforts at Fable Answers are acceptable.Garry Damrau 12:04, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

MediaWiki

Hello, I am Bullet Francisco, an administrator of multiple wikis. Also, I have some suggestions for the MediaWiki pages, if you are willing to listen. --Bullet Francisco 18:38, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

Sure, go ahead. Feel free to make any suggestions here or in the Wiki talk forum. --Enodoc^{(Talk) (User Space)} 22:08, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

Well, before I do that, would you mind changing the colors of the links a bit? They are red and people associate red links as bad links... :/ --Bullet Francisco 22:22, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

If you have suggestions for alternative colours I'm happy to review them, but I won't go changing them without a consensus first. Are they really that similar? --Enodoc^{(Talk) (User Space)} 23:22, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

Well, I've been editing different wikis for years, and those look like red links. --Bullet Francisco ^{(Want to see what I've been doing?)} 23:36, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

Meh, its probably fine. --Bullet Francisco ^{(Want to see what I've been doing?)} 01:49, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

All links look normal to me. I use Monobook style.--Alpha Lycos 03:49, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

Like I said, I'm happy to review any alternative sugggestions. Alpha: click here to see the Home page in Oasis if you're interested in the differences. --Enodoc^{(Talk) (User Space)} 10:01, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

I used to use that style, but prefer Monobook style now since it works like most other wikis I've been to.--Alpha Lycos 14:50, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

In regards to the sidebar, could I make a small request? Keeping the Recent changes link? I've just noticed it missing lol--Alpha Lycos 14:55, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

Oops, hadn't intended to remove it. Sorry. I'd just looked at the main page in Monobook, realised the menu was out-of-date/not very good and decided to copy and paste the current menu from Oasis. It was also a complete guess as to which MediaWiki controlled it. Is the rest of the menu OK, do you have any suggestions, and is there anything else you'd like me to do with the Monobook skin style? --Enodoc^{(Talk) (User Space)} 16:47, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

Well, I just don't want people to associate things with red links, although it seems fine, maybe just a deeper shade or a brown would be better. --Bullet Francisco ^{(Want to see what I've been doing?)} 17:48, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

Actually, It looks fine, sorry for bugging you. --Bullet Francisco ^{(Want to see what I've been doing?)} 23:57, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

Rollback

I understand that when you promote a user to rollback, they get chat mod rights as well, and you tend to group these two things into the name "rollback"? Well, you can make the profile header on the Wikia skin say "Rollback" instead of "Chat Moderator" by using this: MediaWiki:User-identity-box-group-chatmoderator, I don't think something as minor as this needs consensus, but tell me your opinion. --Bullet Francisco ^{(Want to see what I've been doing?)} 00:03, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds good. I will give that a go. Thanks! --Enodoc^{(Talk) (User Space)} 22:36, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Thax but I am not helpless. O.o Rather not have help O.o Artemis12 00:31, December 7, 2011 (UTC)

put me on a highway -show me a sign

I think I've found a niche I can help you fill. The List of Properties Fable III is woefully lacking in information. I will attempt to enter as much as I can, but do not know how to set up tables like the Fable II page. Should I start entering the areas and property names or should the table form come first ?Garry Damrau 08:55, December 10, 2011 (UTC) guess i should have signed that

The table should really come first. You can insert a table with one of the buttons at the top of the edit window in "Visual" mode, but that may not come out in the right style. If you switch to "Source" mode you can put the table in as code:

{|class="wikitable sortable"
|-bgcolor="#cccccc" align="left"
!style="width: 100px"|Name
!Address
!Other Column 1
!Other Column 2
!etc
|-
|'''[[Property 1 Name]]'''
|Property 1 Address
|Property 1 other details 1
|Property 1 other details 2
|etc
|-
|'''[[Property 2 Name]]'''
|Property 2 Address
|Property 2 other details 1
|Property 2 other details 2
|etc
|-
|'''[[Property 3 Name]]'''
|Property 3 Address
|Property 3 other details 1
|Property 3 other details 2
|etc
|}

Just duplicate a section between two |- lines for a new row. Each |- starts a new row, each | starts a new column entry, a ! in the first section defines a column, and |} goes at the end.

Enodoc^{(Talk) (User Space)} 22:55, December 10, 2011 (UTC)

Ooops. Just when I thought I've got the table stuff down pat I got overzealous and tried to tidy up the page.

Now I have Multiple Edit signs, duplicate areas and the font mismatch of area names. A little help would be greatly appreciated, please.P.S. The long name of 1 property in Industrial made the columns a different width than Aurora.Maybe the width setting needs to be adjusted for all the tables.??Garry Damrau(talk) 07:11, December 13, 2011 (UTC)

NO WAIT On second thought WAIT. Let me try to "UNDO" what I did wrong. After all what's the worse that could happen? Garry Damrau(talk) 07:51, December 13, 2011 (UTC) OK I got most of that fixed and will continue entering data. I find it easier for me to enter the data first then frame it with the table than to make a table and fill it with data after. It works for me that way. I'll call you if i need any more help. THANKS.Garry Damrau(talk)

Well --- All the properties are there at Talk:List of Fable III Properties, One favor please, could you change the Font size for the area name? I made it bold but it still don't stand out like it should. I still might tweek it a little bit as there are many carriage returns that are unnecessary, they were put there when I was entering data in visual mode and I carried it over when I switched to source mode. By the way , in case I forget, Merry X-mas. Your friend Garry Damrau(talk) P.S. Would you be interested in seeing a video of two of my characters opening the 50 key chest in the castle garden before meeting with Elise or Elliot? I brought some saves out of mothballs and collected the silver and gold keys with my newbies. The male gets a Sandgoose and the female gets the Dragonstomper.48. (I had to peek) And is there an easy (read Cheap) way to post videos to Youtube ?--Garry Damrau(talk) 11:48, December 17, 2011 (UTC)

Looks good. I suggest moving that across to the article now and we can do the final tidyup to headers, font sizes and white-space once it's properly in place. And I've never uploaded anything to Youtube, so I actually don't know how that works, sorry. Merry Xmas to you to. --Enodoc^{(Talk) (User Space)} 13:38, December 17, 2011 (UTC)

You move it. I don't want to mess it up when merging it with what's there already.--Garry Damrau(talk) 13:52, December 17, 2011 (UTC)

OK, fair enough. I'll do the necessary tidying at the same time. --Enodoc^{(Talk) (User Space)} 22:40, December 17, 2011 (UTC)

It looks great. You probably noticed I used my newly acquired table-making skill to edit the Hairstyles page and can do the same for make-up also. I have the stats from the Brady Games guide to do Fable III Clothing as well but do not have stats on Fable III DLCs. Would you want tables for what I have anyway? In addition, I was researching the Fable quest "The Sword in the Stone" and noticed the explanation of how to complete this quest was given much better on the "Harbinger" page. Maybe another editor with more knowledge of Fable/TLC would like to copy or move it to the quest page?--Garry Damrau(talk) 07:56, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

Working on X-mas morning yes. There are some tables, for Fable II, on Talk:Makeup that I, with the much appreciated help from WikiaWizard, have created. Could you move them to the main page and work your magic on them. --Garry Damrau(talk) 08:51, December 25, 2011 (UTC) P.S. I was impressed with the way you dealt with that vandal this week. I doubt that I could have been so nice and even-handed.

Well I finally found the path in the Sewers of Bowerstone Industrial to get at Page's Portrait and made copies for a few of my saves. I don't really care if my morality takes a hit for forgery. I thought I had found Reaver's portrait when I let Jasper redecorate "The Shrine"(Benjamina's place) but it was just another picture. Jasper put Sabine's portrait there but I managed to find just the right spot and replaced it with Page's (I bet Benjamina has a cow.) On another save you would have laughed if you saw how Elise greeted me in the pub for "A Lost Romance". I was delivering a package for a hippie from Mourningwood and Elise was there getting blotto. As she's telling me how she broke it off with Laszlo she staggers and throws up on my shoes. Some romance huh? I am going to be entering the stats for Fable III clothing and will be using plain tables.(No need to sort 4 or 5 items of an outfit. --Garry Damrau(talk) 12:31, December 28, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds good. Keep up the good work! --Enodoc^{(Talk) (User Space)} 13:19, December 28, 2011 (UTC)

Fable: Blood Ties

Greetings. Let me start by congratulating you on reaching 10,000 edits. Impressive. I apologize for my recent hiatus. I'm in the process of moving to a rural area, and internet access is very limited. Plus, like so many others, I've got dragons that need slaying. But I wanted to ask you about Fable: Blood Ties. Are we going to treat it just like The Balverine Order, with full coverage? Thanks. TheIndifferentist 20:02, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

Nice to hear from you again. Yes, I think we will probably cover Blood Ties in pretty much the same way we did The Balverine Order. It seems that the majority of Balverine Order information is in the character articles, as well as the balverine article itself, of course. I don't yet have Blood Ties, so I don't know how well that format would work again, but something similar will be fine. There's probably still some Balverine Order info to add at some point as well, like some of the locations visited. --Enodoc^{(Talk) (User Space)} 20:58, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

Good. My copy arrived yesterday. I'll be impeded by my lack of internet, but I'll try to organize some articles offline. And as for covering any and all locations mentioned in the novel, I agree completely. Thanks a lot. TheIndifferentist 22:47, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Can you remind me how to create category pages? I've forgotten, and we need categories for the characters and locations in Blood Ties (Well, there's only one new location, Blackholm). Also, are we going to put any kind of canonicity warning? Thanks. TheIndifferentist 08:59, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

If there isn't more than one new location then that can just go in the base category Category:Fable: Blood Ties. To create a category, just go to Special:CreatePage, and in the Title box enter the category name, like Category:Fable: Blood Ties Characters. Alternatively, click that ← and "Create" it directly from there. We'll do canonicity the same way as we did before, so any new articles that are only about the book will be fine as they are, and any that need to be edited (like Balverine did) can have a warning on the page like that one. --Enodoc^{(Talk) (User Space)} 20:57, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

Alright. Ben Finn is obviously the protagonist, but Page and Reaver are both heavily involved in the narrative, too. It gives Page a backstory, and tries to provide some background lore on gnomes. I believe those pages will need canonicity disclaimers. You haven't read it, have you? TheIndifferentist 06:48, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

Not yet. I still haven't got around to getting a copy. --Enodoc^{(Talk) (User Space)} 12:50, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

Okay. I assume you don't have any objections to me uploading a plot summary? I'll keep it reasonably brief. I'll try to do as much work as I can on these articles tomorrow. Thanks for all your help. TheIndifferentist 21:26, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

Sounds good! --Enodoc^{(Talk) (User Space)} 10:21, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

maybe it's me

There seems to be a problem with the Forum page "Wiki Talk". When I click on it I get a message saying "Invalid Tag Extension". Am I doing something wrong? If so, SORRY.Garry Damrau(talk) 10:29, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

And now for something totally different. I was attempting to edit the question "Gay couples have kids" on Fable answers, as the answer there is not totally correct.(In Fable II 2 women can concieve a child, trust me I know) I ran into a message about a spam filter (Call #5) and before I attempt to report anything so trivial to Wiki Help I thought you might want to look into it, or just delete the question to avoid any possible issues re: improper sexual content. I have no opinion either way.Garry Damrau(talk) 11:48, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

From where are you trying to click on Wiki talk? Maybe there's a broken link somewhere. The spam filter on Fable Answers often appears when answering questions like that as it thinks it's vandalism. Although if that's the exact wording of the question I'll just delete it anyway, as it is technically a statement and not a question. --Enodoc^{(Talk) (User Space)} 18:12, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

From the top of the main page I move the hand over "Community", move down and left to 'Forums", move down to "Wiki Talk" and left click. I get a page that includes the phrase "invalid tag extension name:forum". When I then left click on "view alphabetical list of topics" I seem to get the page. ????Garry Damrau(talk) 06:56, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Something is wrong with the Forum section. When I go to the Watercooler and click on "Add new topic" it takes me to Recent Wiki Activity. Maybe something was changed when you moved the page about Fable II Bugs from Wiki Help to the Watercooler. Garry Damrau(talk) 08:06, December 21, 2011 (UTC) (Not pointing fingers, just trying to help.)

I just checked the forums and they are working fine for me. I get no errors or anything, it just works perfectly fine.--Alpha Lycos 10:23, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

ATTN E or Lycos: Check on user 205.250.151.32. They've been making some odd edits on the Fable Answer pages.Garry Damrau(talk) 14:30, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

The forums seem to be working for me as well. Maybe you need to clear your browser cache. Go to some of the pages that aren't working properly, and type ?action=purge at the end of the URL in the address bar. Do the same on MediaWiki:Common.css, MediaWiki:Common.js, MediaWiki:Wikia.css and MediaWiki:Wikia.js and also try the purging instructions on those pages. I will review Fable Answers shortly. --Enodoc^{(Talk) (User Space)} 18:27, December 21, 2011 (UTC

Me again - Is there something wrong with the link on the Auto-Welcome Page on Fable Answers that directs users to "edit your profile"? My computer is saying "Special:UpdateProfile (page does not exist)"--Garry Damrau(talk) 07:50, December 31, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I think the welcome message is older than the current page setup, so the link directs to a page that no longer works. --Enodoc^{(Talk) (User Space)} 19:27, December 31, 2011 (UTC)

I have tried to leave you alone lately since I know your duties keep you very busy but this I think is important. I have started work on an idea of mine (suggested on the Enemy Classification page) for a guide to weapon upgrades. It would use links to show the upgrade requirements and hard redirects on those pages to take one to a page which would give tips and techniques on how to achieve them. For example you could move the cursor over the upgrade Holy Blast on the Avo's Lamentation and it would show "Kill 200 hollow men" which is the page it is linked to. Then if you click on it you would be hard directed to a page listing weapons that require killing hollow men and suggestions on where, when, and how to kill them. A rather ambitious project, but not impossible with the help of the community. What I have already is the text to be displayed and the table but I need you to present it the community before we start creating pages. P.S. could you change the colour of the column headings to a blue word Blue, red word Red, etc. or maybe have a coloured gem icon. You know best on that.--Garry Damrau(talk) 10:59, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

That's a nice idea. I've coloured the headings (since I can't find any good gem icons), but I wonder if creating a bunch of new pages is a good idea, since some things, like the hollow men one, could be detailed on the hollow men article. Also I know that the requirements for upgrades aren't always the same on PC as for Xbox, so I don't know how much of a problem that would cause. In the meantime however I will work on creating a template that produces hover text when the link is not necessarily what the text says. --Enodoc^{(Talk) (User Space)} 14:41, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

Do your thing. I'm off for the next two days so I won't make any changes till then. I look forward to see what you do until then. Ask Lycos to help, he seems aloof and distant when I try to penetrate his tough guy persona. CHAT? GD10:08, January 18, 2012 (UTC)

I just added the, I called them "Unique" Weapons to the Upgrade Guide. Can you check if I missed any? Also, Can I hover/link some of the Objectives to the Fable Answers Section? Some like Busting Crates or Killing Nobles need no new page but can be helped by directing users to an answered question. Garry Damrau(talk) 11:08, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

There is now the {{Answers}} template, which works in the same way as the {{Fable}} template on Answers. To do a hover with that, you would need to use {{Answers|Question name|{{Hoverbox|screentext=|hovertext=|colour=}}}}.

Coincidentally, someone has created a List of Fable III Augments, which gives some details of how to go about doing these things. So if you would rather link to that for any purpose, you could do that as well. Although I do think we are getting too many pages on this now; trouble is they're all useful in their own way. The only one I think we may be able to do without soon is the Fable III Legendary Weapons Table, which is covered by the list of weapons and the upgrade guide. --Enodoc^{(Talk) (User Space)} 21:34, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah I looked at the new page & gave him some advice Re:terminology. It would be nice if he gets a regular profile & talk page. I'm waiting a while to see if his rather haphazard approach goes anywhere. (He seems to overuse links) But with the communities help it could show some promise. We'll see.Maybe U & I will chat tommorrow. GTG TTFNGarry Damrau(talk) 13:27, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure what happened with their profile and talk pages. I reported it to Wikia that the Welcome Bot didn't work properly, so we'll see what happens. I can always create one for them if it doesn't sort itself out. --Enodoc^{(Talk) (User Space)} 13:54, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

I used the link to the Answers wiki for the "kill nobles" objective and it works great. Plus no new pages need to be created that way. Question: I kinda remember somewhere there being a place where the 4 "criminals to jail" quests were covered very well (Maybe in the answers section). Similarly the 4 "villagers to work" quests were/could be done the same way. Maybe you remember where ? No hurry. --Garry Damrau(talk) 08:53, January 31, 2012 (UTC)

Could you create a page called "Killing" and set up the infobox and such. I need to have a page to link the final few upgrade objectives to. I will take it from there. (I think I can get WikiaWizard or Azaelia S. to help me there. Although it may be a distasteful topic to some, it is after all part of the Fable III game and must be handled in an appropriate way. The only objective I linked the Upgrade Guide to the List of Fable III Augments was killing at night and in the daytime, which I expanded on what was there. I will move that over to be included with the other killing objectives. The List of Augments page seems to me to have lost it's creator and it's focus, which as I understand it was to list the possible objective methods. I have some ideas on improving it but I would rather wait to see if he returns to continue his work.Garry Damrau(talk) 14:38, February 7, 2012 (UTC)

Elvira Grey page

Elvira Grey page

I'm not sure if this is how I go about replying, but I'll give it a go. I must apologise, as I was having a discussion with my brother about the Elvira Grey matter. When he editted the page on my laptop (for the record I doubt he had any source or evidence behind the edit) I don't think they realised that it would be under the name of the account I had set up only minutes before. I assume he thought it was anonymous. Anyway, I'm dreadfully sorry if this has caused any problems. Also I'll probably more careful with logging off in the future. :)

LeMurphs 21:35, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

Just Wondering

Hello, I was looking through the Fable TLC information on exploits for experience and gold, and I didn't see anything mentioning the 'Hero Save Bug'. Is it mentioned elsewhere on the site? PepperTea 05:19, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

The one where if you Hero Save in a certain place and then load it, you can keep your experience/gold/items and also get them again? I don't think it's mentioned specifically by itself, but I think it's mentioned in passing in a few places. --Enodoc^{(Talk) (User Space)} 08:52, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

Kind of. If you Hero Save more than 10-15 times during the entire course of the game, a bug occurs that will corrupt the save file. After the file is corrupted, there is no way of salvaging it and a new one has to be started. I thought it was a rumor at first, but I've tested it and it's very consistant. It takes a while to kick in, but slowly the game stops responding and the character from the corrupted save file is lost. It happens even to those not using the Hero Save function for exploitation purposes, but only for those who've used the hero save function more than 10-15 times. It doesn't effect the game itself, only the save file, so once the corrupted save is deleted the game functions normally. It's probably not a big problem, but I thought maybe you'd like to know so people can be warned? PepperTea 09:41, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

I hadn't actually heard of that one before, and I don't think we have a page for TLC bugs. Does the file just refuse to load, or does something else happen to it? --Enodoc^{(Talk) (User Space)} 15:21, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

The save file will refuse to load (It will load, but when it goes to auto-save before actually loading your character and the world, the game will crash) and the game itself will not run properly (right before the save is inaccessable, the game will be very sluggish and VERY slow to load graphics, if it loads them at all). When starting it up, an error message will display that says something like "fable did not close properly, please run the game in safe mode and shut it down normally", even if you did actually shut it down normally. I haven't tested how damaging the bug really is, but the whole save file is lost and in a few cases I've read on other fable sites, the game has to be re-installed (though I'm sure the problem can be fully corrected by simply deleting the corrupted save and the re-install isn't needed). The bug also only effects the specific save on which it occured. If there are two different characters on the same computer, only the one that Hero saved more than 10-15 times will be lost and the other will play normally. PepperTea 22:05, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

Muriel page

What happened to the Muriel page. I've seen a few references and links to her and there is no page. She is important enough to be on your Road to Rule. What happened?Garry Damrau(talk) 08:28, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

The page has never existed. The dead links that you may have noticed (they're brighter than normal links) are there as prompts for people to create an article about her. Same goes for other things without pages that should have them; characters like Jacob and Robin, enemies like Robot Dogs, properties like Fotsam's Jetsam and Timmins Towers. There's a list of these at Special:WantedPages, although some of those are misspelt links rather than articles we actually need. --Enodoc^{(Talk) (User Space)} 12:50, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

Wiki-navigation

On the navigation bar thingy, TLC (under "Game Info -> The Series") is spelt as The Lost Chpaters. If possible, that should probably be fixed. Manga (talk • contribs) 00:28, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for that! --Enodoc^{(Talk) (User Space)} 18:56, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

Page move request

Would you move "What makes Fable 2 better than Fable 3 or vice versa?" from the Forum Watercooler over to Fable Fanon? It was I who first asked this in the Fable Answers section and it was moved to the Forum as it was not relevant to Answers. Now it seems it has a home in the Fanon section. I will continue to edit and refine (or the opposite of refine) it there.Garry Damrau(talk) 11:03, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

I wouldn't actually know where to put it in Fable Fanon. Where it is as the moment, at least people would know that it was something that can be discussed and that they could contribute to. --Enodoc^{(Talk) (User Space)} 18:56, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

It is here

http://fable.wikia.com/index.php?title=Forum:What_makes_Fable_2_better_than_Fable_3_or_vice_versa%3F&t=20120111090508

If you could make a page titled "THE RANT" and move it there it can be a part of "The Diary of Falcon Lionheart". since my story deals with the time between Fable II and Fable III it would be perfect.--Garry Damrau(talk) 06:38, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

OK I can do that.  :)

Enodoc^{(Talk) (User Space)} 13:12, February 12, 2012 (UTC)